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	<title>Comments for JISC Innovation Forum 2008</title>
	<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org</link>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3: Who&#8217;s identity: starter for ten by Digital Footprints&#8230; &#171; A Brand Called Flea: Managing Digital Identity</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-14626</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Footprints&#8230; &#171; A Brand Called Flea: Managing Digital Identity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-14626</guid>
		<description>[...] a related note at the JISC Innovation Forum (July) 2008, Session 3: &#8216;Who&#8217;s identity? starter for ten&#8217; challenges presented by Facebook, identity theft and digital footprints, as well as the original [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] a related note at the JISC Innovation Forum (July) 2008, Session 3: &#8216;Who&#8217;s identity? starter for ten&#8217; challenges presented by Facebook, identity theft and digital footprints, as well as the original [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Presentation slides, audio and videos now available to download by amer soubra</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/08/07/presentation-slides-audio-and-videos-now-available-to-download/#comment-12856</link>
		<dc:creator>amer soubra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/08/07/presentation-slides-audio-and-videos-now-available-to-download/#comment-12856</guid>
		<description>i need to read presentaion on green computing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i need to read presentaion on green computing</p>
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		<title>Comment on Forum: Green Computing by green computing</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/17/forum-green-computing/#comment-11775</link>
		<dc:creator>green computing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/17/forum-green-computing/#comment-11775</guid>
		<description>please give me more information on green computing because i m doing seminar on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please give me more information on green computing because i m doing seminar on that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3: Who&#8217;s identity: starter for ten by Skills Plus, e-Portfolios &#38; PLEs &#171; A Brand Called Flea: Digital Identity</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-9175</link>
		<dc:creator>Skills Plus, e-Portfolios &#38; PLEs &#171; A Brand Called Flea: Digital Identity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-9175</guid>
		<description>[...] fits with all these strands and is an essential 21st Century skill. This is also evidenced by a discussion around online identity held at the JISC Innovation Conference 2008 It would seem that this research is very [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] fits with all these strands and is an essential 21st Century skill. This is also evidenced by a discussion around online identity held at the JISC Innovation Conference 2008 It would seem that this research is very [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Keynote: John Selby, Director (Education and Participation), HEFCE by Fahrenheit 451 &#171; UK Web Focus</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/15/keynote-john-selby-director-education-and-participation-hefce/#comment-2457</link>
		<dc:creator>Fahrenheit 451 &#171; UK Web Focus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/15/keynote-john-selby-director-education-and-participation-hefce/#comment-2457</guid>
		<description>[...] Forum. One of the most interesting of the plenary talks was given by HEFCE&#8217;s John Selby. In his talk John praised the work of the JISC and the JISC Services, but went on to warn of troubled financial [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Forum. One of the most interesting of the plenary talks was given by HEFCE&#8217;s John Selby. In his talk John praised the work of the JISC and the JISC Services, but went on to warn of troubled financial [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3: Who&#8217;s identity: starter for ten by JISC Access Management Team &#187; Blog Archive &#187; No, I&#8217;m Spartacus</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-1136</link>
		<dc:creator>JISC Access Management Team &#187; Blog Archive &#187; No, I&#8217;m Spartacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-1136</guid>
		<description>[...] of these issues were discussed in the identity session at the JISC Innovation Forum last week. There are many complexities around the issues of your identifier, your identity, and the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of these issues were discussed in the identity session at the JISC Innovation Forum last week. There are many complexities around the issues of your identifier, your identity, and the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Forum: JISC Future Priorities by Jim Hensman</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/jisc-future-priorities/#comment-833</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Hensman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/jisc-future-priorities/#comment-833</guid>
		<description>A number of the issues raised at the Forum, and in particular the question of what models the JISC should use for innovation, were looked at in a recent report prepared for the JISC Users and Innovation programme, Developing Innovation Networks and Communities of Practice, available at: http://elgg.jiscemerge.org.uk/jhensman/files/-1/295/InnovationCoP.pdf.

This study created a number of case studies covering a very wide area to look at common themes and issues around developing innovation communities generally, as well as gathering requirements for a university innovation community and looking how this could link with wider communities. Conclusions were drawn from the evidence examined, as well as from theoretical work covering this area, and recommendations made for future work. Comments on this to j.hensman@coventry.ac.uk would be very welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of the issues raised at the Forum, and in particular the question of what models the JISC should use for innovation, were looked at in a recent report prepared for the JISC Users and Innovation programme, Developing Innovation Networks and Communities of Practice, available at: <a href="http://elgg.jiscemerge.org.uk/jhensman/files/-1/295/InnovationCoP.pdf." rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/elgg.jiscemerge.org.uk');">http://elgg.jiscemerge.org.uk/jhensman/files/-1/295/InnovationCoP.pdf.</a></p>
<p>This study created a number of case studies covering a very wide area to look at common themes and issues around developing innovation communities generally, as well as gathering requirements for a university innovation community and looking how this could link with wider communities. Conclusions were drawn from the evidence examined, as well as from theoretical work covering this area, and recommendations made for future work. Comments on this to <a href="mailto:j.hensman@coventry.ac.uk">j.hensman@coventry.ac.uk</a> would be very welcome.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3: Who&#8217;s identity: starter for ten by Martin Locock</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-818</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Locock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-818</guid>
		<description>I haven't been able to find any more info on the "Dead Professor Project" mentioned by Nichole Harris: anyone got a link?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been able to find any more info on the &#8220;Dead Professor Project&#8221; mentioned by Nichole Harris: anyone got a link?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3: Survival of R&#38;D and Repositories by National Centre for e-Social Science BLOG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; JISC Innovation Forum</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-survival-of-rd-and-repositories/#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator>National Centre for e-Social Science BLOG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; JISC Innovation Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-survival-of-rd-and-repositories/#comment-417</guid>
		<description>[...] The Innovation Forum also featured a marketplace where programmes and projects showcased their work, again providing a valuable opportunity for networking and exploring possible collaborations. Volunteer bloggers created a lasting record of the event that complements the usual collection of slides and includes the questions asked during the session. Sessions were also audio-recorded and I am keen to listen to come of the presentations again, especially Neil Chue Hong&#8217;s talk about software economics and communities. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Innovation Forum also featured a marketplace where programmes and projects showcased their work, again providing a valuable opportunity for networking and exploring possible collaborations. Volunteer bloggers created a lasting record of the event that complements the usual collection of slides and includes the questions asked during the session. Sessions were also audio-recorded and I am keen to listen to come of the presentations again, especially Neil Chue Hong&#8217;s talk about software economics and communities. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 2: JISC and sustainability by Milly Shaw</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-2-jisc-and-sustainability/#comment-408</link>
		<dc:creator>Milly Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-2-jisc-and-sustainability/#comment-408</guid>
		<description>Hi Chris

The slides are available at the end of the post, it's a link called 'JISC_sustainability_presentation'. Hope that helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris</p>
<p>The slides are available at the end of the post, it&#8217;s a link called &#8216;JISC_sustainability_presentation&#8217;. Hope that helps!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 2: JISC and sustainability by Ross Gardler</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-2-jisc-and-sustainability/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Gardler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-2-jisc-and-sustainability/#comment-384</guid>
		<description>With respect to sustainability of software outputs &#38; the knowledge that software projects generate open source, coupled with open development is one prickle option.

OSS Watch are here to help projects who want to consider there options.

Those writing new bids should contact us during bid writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to sustainability of software outputs &amp; the knowledge that software projects generate open source, coupled with open development is one prickle option.</p>
<p>OSS Watch are here to help projects who want to consider there options.</p>
<p>Those writing new bids should contact us during bid writing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 2: JISC and sustainability by Chris Rusbridge</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-2-jisc-and-sustainability/#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Rusbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-2-jisc-and-sustainability/#comment-372</guid>
		<description>Can anyone point me to the slides for this session? I don't seem able to find them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone point me to the slides for this session? I don&#8217;t seem able to find them!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3: Who&#8217;s identity: starter for ten by Martin Locock</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-371</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Locock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-371</guid>
		<description>Some thoughts on the goldfish bowl technique:

it would have been a good idea to start with a three-minute introduction of what issues it was hoped to explore 

it would also be handy to have a recap every 10 minutes or so of what we were talking about

it was very tiring concentrating so hard: a break after an hour would have been more productive I think</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts on the goldfish bowl technique:</p>
<p>it would have been a good idea to start with a three-minute introduction of what issues it was hoped to explore </p>
<p>it would also be handy to have a recap every 10 minutes or so of what we were talking about</p>
<p>it was very tiring concentrating so hard: a break after an hour would have been more productive I think</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3: Technical and infrastructure issues by Chris Rusbridge</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-technical-and-infrastructure-issues/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Rusbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-technical-and-infrastructure-issues/#comment-368</guid>
		<description>I blogged separately about this session at http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2008/07/jif08-technical-infrastructure-session.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blogged separately about this session at <a href="http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2008/07/jif08-technical-infrastructure-session.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/digitalcuration.blogspot.com');">http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2008/07/jif08-technical-infrastructure-session.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Keynote: Jason DaPonte, Managing Editor, BBC Mobile Platforms by paul walk&#8217;s weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; JISC Innovation Forum 2008</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/keynote-jason-daponte-managing-editor-bbc-mobile-platforms/#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator>paul walk&#8217;s weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; JISC Innovation Forum 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/keynote-jason-daponte-managing-editor-bbc-mobile-platforms/#comment-351</guid>
		<description>[...] More: transcript and link to presentation slides. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] More: transcript and link to presentation slides. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3: Who&#8217;s identity: starter for ten by Sam Jordison</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Jordison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-348</guid>
		<description>Thank you Shirley! I'll put a link into the blog on that too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Shirley! I&#8217;ll put a link into the blog on that too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3: Technical and infrastructure issues by Robin Rice</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-technical-and-infrastructure-issues/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-technical-and-infrastructure-issues/#comment-342</guid>
		<description>We were discussing (perhaps tangentially to this strand) some differences in norms about data sharing within different disciplines.

I gave the extreme example of medical researchers in universities fronting research papers for pharmaceuticals, and how sometimes even the named authors are not allowed to access the data pertaining to the article. See Aubrey Blumsohn's &lt;a href="http://www.thejabberwock.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Radstats.png" rel="nofollow"&gt;"Ghost-statistics, raw data and the meaning of authorship. Are we learning any lessons from scandals in pharmaceutical research?"&lt;/a&gt; He lost his job as a medical research at the University of Sheffield because he refused to put his name as lead author on a Proctor and Gamble study of Actonel until he saw the raw data. He later found that the article was indeed mis-representing the results shown by the data. He now monitors other similar situations in his very frank &lt;a href="http://scientific-misconduct.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Scientific Misconduct blog&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were discussing (perhaps tangentially to this strand) some differences in norms about data sharing within different disciplines.</p>
<p>I gave the extreme example of medical researchers in universities fronting research papers for pharmaceuticals, and how sometimes even the named authors are not allowed to access the data pertaining to the article. See Aubrey Blumsohn&#8217;s <a href="http://www.thejabberwock.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Radstats.png" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.thejabberwock.org');">&#8220;Ghost-statistics, raw data and the meaning of authorship. Are we learning any lessons from scandals in pharmaceutical research?&#8221;</a> He lost his job as a medical research at the University of Sheffield because he refused to put his name as lead author on a Proctor and Gamble study of Actonel until he saw the raw data. He later found that the article was indeed mis-representing the results shown by the data. He now monitors other similar situations in his very frank <a href="http://scientific-misconduct.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/scientific-misconduct.blogspot.com');">Scientific Misconduct blog</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3: Who&#8217;s identity: starter for ten by Shirley Williams</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-337</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirley Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-337</guid>
		<description>The book on reputation is: The Future of Reputation" by Daniel Solove, I've written a short review at http://redgloo.sse.reading.ac.uk/ssswills/weblog/2520.html. If you have an interest in Digital Identity I really recommend looking at it.

I tried to post comments to this blog last night but with no success, not sure if there is some problem between the blogging software and the Linux software on the EeePC I was using, or it was just me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The book on reputation is: The Future of Reputation&#8221; by Daniel Solove, I&#8217;ve written a short review at <a href="http://redgloo.sse.reading.ac.uk/ssswills/weblog/2520.html." rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/redgloo.sse.reading.ac.uk');">http://redgloo.sse.reading.ac.uk/ssswills/weblog/2520.html.</a> If you have an interest in Digital Identity I really recommend looking at it.</p>
<p>I tried to post comments to this blog last night but with no success, not sure if there is some problem between the blogging software and the Linux software on the EeePC I was using, or it was just me!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Forum: JISC Future Priorities by David Millard</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/jisc-future-priorities/#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator>David Millard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/jisc-future-priorities/#comment-333</guid>
		<description>My feeling is that JISC should be focusing on helping institutions deal with the new reality of working in a Web 2.0 world. Often this doesn't mean embracing the technology so much as just getting out of the way, and letting students and staff find their own path!

I have a blog post here: 
http://hoos-foos.blogspot.com/2008/07/open-ports-for-open-minds.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My feeling is that JISC should be focusing on helping institutions deal with the new reality of working in a Web 2.0 world. Often this doesn&#8217;t mean embracing the technology so much as just getting out of the way, and letting students and staff find their own path!</p>
<p>I have a blog post here:<br />
<a href="http://hoos-foos.blogspot.com/2008/07/open-ports-for-open-minds.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/hoos-foos.blogspot.com');">http://hoos-foos.blogspot.com/2008/07/open-ports-for-open-minds.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 2: Capacity and skills issues by Session 3: Technical and infrastructure issues : JISC Innovation Forum 2008</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/15/session-2-capacity-and-skills-issues/#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator>Session 3: Technical and infrastructure issues : JISC Innovation Forum 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/15/session-2-capacity-and-skills-issues/#comment-312</guid>
		<description>[...] trying to get to the PhD research training (see yesterday’s session on capacity and skills issues) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] trying to get to the PhD research training (see yesterday’s session on capacity and skills issues) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3: Who&#8217;s identity: starter for ten by Marty Moose</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-3-whos-identity-starter-for-ten/#comment-310</guid>
		<description>I think that Identity if very important and that Reading are anti-moose fascists!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Identity if very important and that Reading are anti-moose fascists!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 2: JISC and sustainability by Owen Stephens</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-2-jisc-and-sustainability/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-2-jisc-and-sustainability/#comment-309</guid>
		<description>A further point which came up over dinner which really struck home with me was 'impact' vs 'sustainability'.

This made me realise that some of the things I was thinking of as 'sustainability' issues were actually 'impact' issues. For example, uptake of standards, or embedding specific approaches or skills into the community.

Although we can see these as sustainability issues, where the ideas have impact, 'sustaining' them takes care of itself. It ceases to be about keeping a website running, or keeping a team together etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A further point which came up over dinner which really struck home with me was &#8216;impact&#8217; vs &#8217;sustainability&#8217;.</p>
<p>This made me realise that some of the things I was thinking of as &#8217;sustainability&#8217; issues were actually &#8216;impact&#8217; issues. For example, uptake of standards, or embedding specific approaches or skills into the community.</p>
<p>Although we can see these as sustainability issues, where the ideas have impact, &#8217;sustaining&#8217; them takes care of itself. It ceases to be about keeping a website running, or keeping a team together etc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 2: JISC and sustainability by Owen Stephens</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-2-jisc-and-sustainability/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/16/session-2-jisc-and-sustainability/#comment-308</guid>
		<description>The group I was in for the discussion came up with the following points:

    * Need to build communities around projects - so not just project team in a 'bubble'
    * Do we need to build sustainability element into project bids?
    * How do we get funding for sustainability - esp. for digitisation - when we are giving away outputs for free? Here a point about the fact you can make 'data' available for free, but still charge for service on top of 'data'
    * Need for more effective engagement with commercial partners?
    * Is 'sustainability' a way to bridge the divide between 'research' and 'services'?
    * Sustainability increasingly important as economic situation gets more difficult
    * Build JISC/community expertise of building business models - and fund feasibility studies alongside projects?

There may have been others which I missed... I've also posted my summary on the session (less comprehensive than the one above!) at http://www.meanboyfriend.com/overdue_ideas/2008/07/sustainability-and-jisc.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The group I was in for the discussion came up with the following points:</p>
<p>    * Need to build communities around projects - so not just project team in a &#8216;bubble&#8217;<br />
    * Do we need to build sustainability element into project bids?<br />
    * How do we get funding for sustainability - esp. for digitisation - when we are giving away outputs for free? Here a point about the fact you can make &#8216;data&#8217; available for free, but still charge for service on top of &#8216;data&#8217;<br />
    * Need for more effective engagement with commercial partners?<br />
    * Is &#8217;sustainability&#8217; a way to bridge the divide between &#8216;research&#8217; and &#8217;services&#8217;?<br />
    * Sustainability increasingly important as economic situation gets more difficult<br />
    * Build JISC/community expertise of building business models - and fund feasibility studies alongside projects?</p>
<p>There may have been others which I missed&#8230; I&#8217;ve also posted my summary on the session (less comprehensive than the one above!) at <a href="http://www.meanboyfriend.com/overdue_ideas/2008/07/sustainability-and-jisc.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.meanboyfriend.com');">http://www.meanboyfriend.com/overdue_ideas/2008/07/sustainability-and-jisc.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Forum: Web 2.0 by Shirley Williams</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/web-20/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirley Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/web-20/#comment-296</guid>
		<description>I enjoyed today's session, here is another example of using Web 2.0 to help learning: A couple of months ago I took part in an exercise with a friend in the US.
We wanted to explore our use of Web 2.0 technologies and we agreed to look at the use of del.icio.us for social bookmarking.
For a whole week we kept a Skype chat open, and each time we book marked something in del.icio.us we chatted about why we had.
I blogged about the experience at http://redgloo.sse.reading.ac.uk/ssswills/weblog/2450.html.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed today&#8217;s session, here is another example of using Web 2.0 to help learning: A couple of months ago I took part in an exercise with a friend in the US.<br />
We wanted to explore our use of Web 2.0 technologies and we agreed to look at the use of del.icio.us for social bookmarking.<br />
For a whole week we kept a Skype chat open, and each time we book marked something in del.icio.us we chatted about why we had.<br />
I blogged about the experience at <a href="http://redgloo.sse.reading.ac.uk/ssswills/weblog/2450.html." rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/redgloo.sse.reading.ac.uk');">http://redgloo.sse.reading.ac.uk/ssswills/weblog/2450.html.</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Theme d: Sustaining innovation beyond JISC funding by Chris Rusbridge</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-4-sustaining-innovation-beyond-jisc-funding/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Rusbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-4-sustaining-innovation-beyond-jisc-funding/#comment-295</guid>
		<description>One very small project and one very large project. The small project sees itself as a major success, very high value, it works! One route to sustainability is through the host institution. This is fine, but does not spread the message more widely. To do so clearly needs perhaps an order of magnitude more resource: to validate the outcomes, to adapt the methodology, and particularly to disseminate the outcomes into many more institutions. How to achieve this? With a very small project, planning for sustainability sucks resource from the project. It’s worth remembering that small amounts may be available from JISC; it’s worth asking! Larger amounts may depend on further programme calls, and these are often very prescriptive, and perhaps not appropriately timely. It is possible that sustainability might come through a link to some existing service; JISC appears to have a presumption that projects converting to service should be the exception rather than the rule!

For the large project, there may be a belief that strategically JISC needs something like it into the future, but it would be unwise to assume anything! Two big issues; one is the need for (and apparent current lack of) good advice and guidance. The other, and main point here, is timing. Here’s how it goes:

- Project to end 2/2010
- redundancy notices 11/2009
- need continuaton decision 9/2009
- requires bid 7/2009
- bid framework needed 5/2009
- evaluation must be completed 3/2009
- evaluation must be commissioned by 11/2008
- evaluation spec should be agreed 9/2008
- ergo, evaluation spec must be drafted... yesterday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One very small project and one very large project. The small project sees itself as a major success, very high value, it works! One route to sustainability is through the host institution. This is fine, but does not spread the message more widely. To do so clearly needs perhaps an order of magnitude more resource: to validate the outcomes, to adapt the methodology, and particularly to disseminate the outcomes into many more institutions. How to achieve this? With a very small project, planning for sustainability sucks resource from the project. It’s worth remembering that small amounts may be available from JISC; it’s worth asking! Larger amounts may depend on further programme calls, and these are often very prescriptive, and perhaps not appropriately timely. It is possible that sustainability might come through a link to some existing service; JISC appears to have a presumption that projects converting to service should be the exception rather than the rule!</p>
<p>For the large project, there may be a belief that strategically JISC needs something like it into the future, but it would be unwise to assume anything! Two big issues; one is the need for (and apparent current lack of) good advice and guidance. The other, and main point here, is timing. Here’s how it goes:</p>
<p>- Project to end 2/2010<br />
- redundancy notices 11/2009<br />
- need continuaton decision 9/2009<br />
- requires bid 7/2009<br />
- bid framework needed 5/2009<br />
- evaluation must be completed 3/2009<br />
- evaluation must be commissioned by 11/2008<br />
- evaluation spec should be agreed 9/2008<br />
- ergo, evaluation spec must be drafted&#8230; yesterday!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theme d: Sustaining innovation beyond JISC funding by Julian Beckton</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-4-sustaining-innovation-beyond-jisc-funding/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Beckton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-4-sustaining-innovation-beyond-jisc-funding/#comment-294</guid>
		<description>Our brief discussion in the breakout from this session was concerned with the role that commercial companies might or might not play in sustaining innovation. One question was whether JISC ought to fund projects outside HE. In general we thought not because there was a great deal of invisible benefits (Building up relationships between staff who do not normally work together for example) Another reason was that projects were more likely to be sustainable if there was not a commercial imperative. If they weren't making money, they were more likely to be abandoned in a commercial context. Furthermore, projects often take a long time to embed and show a return.

But we didn't get much beyond that as we were called back in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our brief discussion in the breakout from this session was concerned with the role that commercial companies might or might not play in sustaining innovation. One question was whether JISC ought to fund projects outside HE. In general we thought not because there was a great deal of invisible benefits (Building up relationships between staff who do not normally work together for example) Another reason was that projects were more likely to be sustainable if there was not a commercial imperative. If they weren&#8217;t making money, they were more likely to be abandoned in a commercial context. Furthermore, projects often take a long time to embed and show a return.</p>
<p>But we didn&#8217;t get much beyond that as we were called back in!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theme a: Barriers to the take-up of technologies by Gillian Sinclair</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-1-barriers-to-the-take-up-of-technologies/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>Gillian Sinclair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-1-barriers-to-the-take-up-of-technologies/#comment-293</guid>
		<description>Thanks Kate - you've just described my role at the National Grid Service!  I am the Liaison Officer and my role is to market, publicise and make people aware of the NGS.  I do feel a bit of an oddity as there aren't many people around in a similar dedicated role but it is really important.  What's the point of funding a service or project and no one knowing about it?  Yet agains its "build it and they shall come".  Funders need to realise that there is no point funding these projects without some dedicated outreach into the community.  As you say it is so often tagged onto the end of the project proposal and it's often someones responsibility along with their main job so it often ends up at the bottom of the priority list.

I focus on user case studies and encouraging NGS users to tell other people in their research field about the NGS.  The best advertising we can have is happy users.  I've left some publicity material down in the exhibition hall if you want to pick some up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kate - you&#8217;ve just described my role at the National Grid Service!  I am the Liaison Officer and my role is to market, publicise and make people aware of the NGS.  I do feel a bit of an oddity as there aren&#8217;t many people around in a similar dedicated role but it is really important.  What&#8217;s the point of funding a service or project and no one knowing about it?  Yet agains its &#8220;build it and they shall come&#8221;.  Funders need to realise that there is no point funding these projects without some dedicated outreach into the community.  As you say it is so often tagged onto the end of the project proposal and it&#8217;s often someones responsibility along with their main job so it often ends up at the bottom of the priority list.</p>
<p>I focus on user case studies and encouraging NGS users to tell other people in their research field about the NGS.  The best advertising we can have is happy users.  I&#8217;ve left some publicity material down in the exhibition hall if you want to pick some up!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theme a: Barriers to the take-up of technologies by Alastair Dunning</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-1-barriers-to-the-take-up-of-technologies/#comment-291</link>
		<dc:creator>Alastair Dunning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-1-barriers-to-the-take-up-of-technologies/#comment-291</guid>
		<description>Better market research and understanding of audiences would also help with the points Kate makes above. 

Digitisation projects sometimes divide their potential users into very large groups, e.g. HE researchers and the general public

But breaking down these groups into much smaller groups, e.g. researchers in history, A-Level students or genealogists allow projects to create much more tailored outputs that respond more precisely to their needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better market research and understanding of audiences would also help with the points Kate makes above. </p>
<p>Digitisation projects sometimes divide their potential users into very large groups, e.g. HE researchers and the general public</p>
<p>But breaking down these groups into much smaller groups, e.g. researchers in history, A-Level students or genealogists allow projects to create much more tailored outputs that respond more precisely to their needs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theme a: Barriers to the take-up of technologies by Kate Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-1-barriers-to-the-take-up-of-technologies/#comment-289</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-1-barriers-to-the-take-up-of-technologies/#comment-289</guid>
		<description>One barrier to the "take up of technology" is quite simply poor communication and marketing. 

These are aspects that seem to be tagged onto the end of many projects and to which a very small amount of resources are allocated to. Not much support exists at JISC in terms of helping a project advertise their deliverables outside of the usual academic conferences or JISC web pages. In the case of some projects it may be wise to advise that they take on dedicated marketing and dissemination officers to ensure that the project is marketed effectively using a variety of strategies that are targeted at the relevant sectors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One barrier to the &#8220;take up of technology&#8221; is quite simply poor communication and marketing. </p>
<p>These are aspects that seem to be tagged onto the end of many projects and to which a very small amount of resources are allocated to. Not much support exists at JISC in terms of helping a project advertise their deliverables outside of the usual academic conferences or JISC web pages. In the case of some projects it may be wise to advise that they take on dedicated marketing and dissemination officers to ensure that the project is marketed effectively using a variety of strategies that are targeted at the relevant sectors.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Opening Session: Sarah Porter, Head of Innovation Group, JISC by Ross Gardler</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/15/opening-session-sarah-porter-head-of-innovation-group-jisc/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Gardler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/15/opening-session-sarah-porter-head-of-innovation-group-jisc/#comment-287</guid>
		<description>"Open source vs. sustainable business models – how can we continue to fund development?"

Why "vs."? 

Open Source provides many viable business models. There are a large number of highly successful businesses who build, support and maintain open source software. similarly there are a very large number of businesses who are open source and contribute to its sustainability.

Two quick examples which are relevant to our sector:

XenSource (developed at the University of Cambridge) was sold for $500 million to Citrix - see http://www.xensource.com/PressReleases/Pages/pr081507.aspx

The Apache web server serves the vast majority of web pages from UK institutions (and the world in general). The Apache Software Foundation, which maintains this software, along with a large number of less widely used outputs, for an annual spend of less than $168,000 in the last fiscal year. See http://involve.jisc.ac.uk/wpmu/oss-watch/2008/06/03/just-how-big-is-the-apache-software-foundation/

Having said that, I agree we need to work at creating and sharing resources whilst at the same time building sustainable models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Open source vs. sustainable business models – how can we continue to fund development?&#8221;</p>
<p>Why &#8220;vs.&#8221;? </p>
<p>Open Source provides many viable business models. There are a large number of highly successful businesses who build, support and maintain open source software. similarly there are a very large number of businesses who are open source and contribute to its sustainability.</p>
<p>Two quick examples which are relevant to our sector:</p>
<p>XenSource (developed at the University of Cambridge) was sold for $500 million to Citrix - see <a href="http://www.xensource.com/PressReleases/Pages/pr081507.aspx" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.xensource.com');">http://www.xensource.com/PressReleases/Pages/pr081507.aspx</a></p>
<p>The Apache web server serves the vast majority of web pages from UK institutions (and the world in general). The Apache Software Foundation, which maintains this software, along with a large number of less widely used outputs, for an annual spend of less than $168,000 in the last fiscal year. See <a href="http://involve.jisc.ac.uk/wpmu/oss-watch/2008/06/03/just-how-big-is-the-apache-software-foundation/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/involve.jisc.ac.uk');">http://involve.jisc.ac.uk/wpmu/oss-watch/2008/06/03/just-how-big-is-the-apache-software-foundation/</a></p>
<p>Having said that, I agree we need to work at creating and sharing resources whilst at the same time building sustainable models.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Projects Attending by David Giaretta</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/delegates-projects-attending/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>David Giaretta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/delegates-projects-attending/#comment-285</guid>
		<description>PARSE.Insight (Insight into issues of Permanent Access to the Records of Science in Europe) is an EU FP7 project which aims at defining additions to the e-Infrastructiure needed to support digital preservation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PARSE.Insight (Insight into issues of Permanent Access to the Records of Science in Europe) is an EU FP7 project which aims at defining additions to the e-Infrastructiure needed to support digital preservation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Projects Attending by David Giaretta</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/delegates-projects-attending/#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator>David Giaretta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/delegates-projects-attending/#comment-283</guid>
		<description>CASPAR - Cultural, Artistic and Scientific knowledge for Preservation, Access and Retrieval, which started on 1 April 2006, is an Integrated Project co-financed by the European Union within the Sixth Framework Programme.
CASPAR will research, implement, and disseminate innovative solutions for digital preservation based on the OAIS reference model (ISO:14721:2002.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CASPAR - Cultural, Artistic and Scientific knowledge for Preservation, Access and Retrieval, which started on 1 April 2006, is an Integrated Project co-financed by the European Union within the Sixth Framework Programme.<br />
CASPAR will research, implement, and disseminate innovative solutions for digital preservation based on the OAIS reference model (ISO:14721:2002.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3 - Technical and infrastructure issues by David Shotton</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-3/#comment-277</link>
		<dc:creator>David Shotton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-3/#comment-277</guid>
		<description>I sincerely regret that I am unable to attend this JISC meeting as planned.  The primary idea I wish to share is the following:  

** Data Conditioning **

At present, the ‘activation energy’ required to bridge between the data environment of the average bench researcher and the metadata requirements of the average institutional repository is so great that submission of research datasets by researchers to institutional repositories will never happen to any significant extent.  

To overcome this barrier, I advocate JISC-funded research to investigate ‘data conditioning’, which I envision as having three stages:

(a)	An expert in knowledge management with research domain knowledge establishes a secure local (e.g. Departmental) repository to which a researcher can save datasets in the formats she currently uses (e.g. raw Excel spreadsheets with minimal metadata).  The version of Fedora packaged as a virtual machine by Ben o’Steen of the Oxford Research Archive is a suitable platform for such a local repository.

(b)	The researcher is then encouraged to submit data regularly to this local repository, over which she feels a sense of ownership and control.  This achieves the goal of ‘sheer curation’ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheer_curation), ensuring routine capture of research data without imposing a large cognitive overhead on the researcher.  This is done in ways that enable easy and as far as possible automated enrichment of the data by essential metadata in conformity with agreed vocabularies, using processes previously worked out in collaboration with the researcher.  For example, personal details could be automatically extracted from institutional personnel records and/or the Research Council’s Je-S database of academics (the data within which was provided by institutions in the first place).

(c)	When the researcher is ready, the conditioned datasets, in formats and with metadata suitable for the institutional repository, can then be automatically uploaded without further effort to the institutional repository for long-term preservation and (optionally, at the researcher’s say so) for publication.  Such ingest could be done in bulk, and could use OAI-ORE packaging.

A diagram showing the increasing ease of repository submission in response to increasing amounts of data pre-conditioning is available at http://tinyurl.com/6o5f9n

Have a good meeting!

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sincerely regret that I am unable to attend this JISC meeting as planned.  The primary idea I wish to share is the following:  </p>
<p>** Data Conditioning **</p>
<p>At present, the ‘activation energy’ required to bridge between the data environment of the average bench researcher and the metadata requirements of the average institutional repository is so great that submission of research datasets by researchers to institutional repositories will never happen to any significant extent.  </p>
<p>To overcome this barrier, I advocate JISC-funded research to investigate ‘data conditioning’, which I envision as having three stages:</p>
<p>(a)	An expert in knowledge management with research domain knowledge establishes a secure local (e.g. Departmental) repository to which a researcher can save datasets in the formats she currently uses (e.g. raw Excel spreadsheets with minimal metadata).  The version of Fedora packaged as a virtual machine by Ben o’Steen of the Oxford Research Archive is a suitable platform for such a local repository.</p>
<p>(b)	The researcher is then encouraged to submit data regularly to this local repository, over which she feels a sense of ownership and control.  This achieves the goal of ‘sheer curation’ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheer_curation), ensuring routine capture of research data without imposing a large cognitive overhead on the researcher.  This is done in ways that enable easy and as far as possible automated enrichment of the data by essential metadata in conformity with agreed vocabularies, using processes previously worked out in collaboration with the researcher.  For example, personal details could be automatically extracted from institutional personnel records and/or the Research Council’s Je-S database of academics (the data within which was provided by institutions in the first place).</p>
<p>(c)	When the researcher is ready, the conditioned datasets, in formats and with metadata suitable for the institutional repository, can then be automatically uploaded without further effort to the institutional repository for long-term preservation and (optionally, at the researcher’s say so) for publication.  Such ingest could be done in bulk, and could use OAI-ORE packaging.</p>
<p>A diagram showing the increasing ease of repository submission in response to increasing amounts of data pre-conditioning is available at <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6o5f9n" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/tinyurl.com');">http://tinyurl.com/6o5f9n</a></p>
<p>Have a good meeting!</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>Comment on Forum: JISC Future Priorities by Wilbert Kraan</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/jisc-future-priorities/#comment-275</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilbert Kraan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/jisc-future-priorities/#comment-275</guid>
		<description>blog post link: http://blogs.cetis.ac.uk/wilbert/2008/07/14/how-users-can-get-a-grip-on-technological-innovation/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blog post link: <a href="http://blogs.cetis.ac.uk/wilbert/2008/07/14/how-users-can-get-a-grip-on-technological-innovation/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/blogs.cetis.ac.uk');">http://blogs.cetis.ac.uk/wilbert/2008/07/14/how-users-can-get-a-grip-on-technological-innovation/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Forum: JISC Future Priorities by Wilbert Kraan</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/jisc-future-priorities/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilbert Kraan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/jisc-future-priorities/#comment-271</guid>
		<description>I think JISC is using some very good and varied models for supporting innovation. 

Not sure if it's of any interest here, but I've been working on another model that is specifically concerned with supporting technological innovation by making inventions as cheap, predictable and ubiquitous as possible, quickly. As such, it builds on, but extends what it is that JISC sets out to achieve with its support for open standards.

There's more details on the blog post linked from this comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think JISC is using some very good and varied models for supporting innovation. </p>
<p>Not sure if it&#8217;s of any interest here, but I&#8217;ve been working on another model that is specifically concerned with supporting technological innovation by making inventions as cheap, predictable and ubiquitous as possible, quickly. As such, it builds on, but extends what it is that JISC sets out to achieve with its support for open standards.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more details on the blog post linked from this comment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 2 - Capacity and skills issues by Rachel Bruce</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-2/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-2/#comment-267</guid>
		<description>I have just had a meeting with Adrian Burton from Australian National University, APSR and in reconfiguring their activity to support research infrastructure they have thought about this issue and ways that they can try and address it. They are hoping to help define elements of a curriculum that can support the development of the skills required for data.

The key areas where they think they need to be influecing the curriculum are:

Library science = what generic data management skills are needed? are these "data scientists"?

IT, computer science = can the addition of certain data focussed aspects on these courses create the skills of the "data scientist"?

Researchers = what is it we need to ensure is part of a research post-grad ( or before ? )that will make sure researchers are data literate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just had a meeting with Adrian Burton from Australian National University, APSR and in reconfiguring their activity to support research infrastructure they have thought about this issue and ways that they can try and address it. They are hoping to help define elements of a curriculum that can support the development of the skills required for data.</p>
<p>The key areas where they think they need to be influecing the curriculum are:</p>
<p>Library science = what generic data management skills are needed? are these &#8220;data scientists&#8221;?</p>
<p>IT, computer science = can the addition of certain data focussed aspects on these courses create the skills of the &#8220;data scientist&#8221;?</p>
<p>Researchers = what is it we need to ensure is part of a research post-grad ( or before ? )that will make sure researchers are data literate?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 1 - Legal and policy issues by Sarah Jones</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/legal-and-policy-issues/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/legal-and-policy-issues/#comment-265</guid>
		<description>I used to work for AHDS Perfoming Arts arranging  deposit of collections. This involved a licence being signed that granted us permission to perform preservation actions on the data, and if possible  also making it freely available for non-commercial / educational use. Often researchers were unclear about who held the rights and whether they were able to agree to the conditions of the licence. Rather than asserting IPR claims over data I think more support is needed to help data creators understand who holds the rights so they can make appropriate curation and dissemination choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for AHDS Perfoming Arts arranging  deposit of collections. This involved a licence being signed that granted us permission to perform preservation actions on the data, and if possible  also making it freely available for non-commercial / educational use. Often researchers were unclear about who held the rights and whether they were able to agree to the conditions of the licence. Rather than asserting IPR claims over data I think more support is needed to help data creators understand who holds the rights so they can make appropriate curation and dissemination choices.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Projects Attending by Carol Higgison (ELP2)</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/delegates-projects-attending/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Higgison (ELP2)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/delegates-projects-attending/#comment-264</guid>
		<description>The ELP2 project, as part of its dissemination strategy, will be publishing an occasional series of newsletters between June and December 2008.

The first issue is now available online at http://www.elp.ac.uk/newsletter.html 

Issue 2 will be available from 15 July.

A small number of paper copies will be available at the JISC Innovate conference.

Regards
Carol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ELP2 project, as part of its dissemination strategy, will be publishing an occasional series of newsletters between June and December 2008.</p>
<p>The first issue is now available online at <a href="http://www.elp.ac.uk/newsletter.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.elp.ac.uk');">http://www.elp.ac.uk/newsletter.html</a> </p>
<p>Issue 2 will be available from 15 July.</p>
<p>A small number of paper copies will be available at the JISC Innovate conference.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Carol</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theme a: Barriers to the take-up of technologies by David Giaretta</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-1-barriers-to-the-take-up-of-technologies/#comment-261</link>
		<dc:creator>David Giaretta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-1-barriers-to-the-take-up-of-technologies/#comment-261</guid>
		<description>One issue which may be important is the way in which users are presented with a large variety of incompatible "products" with differnt user interfaces and underlying technologies - with no way to see how, or even IF, these things can be joined up in a coherent manner. Associated with this is the issue of whether users can see how to integrate some particular technology with their existing systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One issue which may be important is the way in which users are presented with a large variety of incompatible &#8220;products&#8221; with differnt user interfaces and underlying technologies - with no way to see how, or even IF, these things can be joined up in a coherent manner. Associated with this is the issue of whether users can see how to integrate some particular technology with their existing systems.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theme d: Sustaining innovation beyond JISC funding by David Giaretta</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-4-sustaining-innovation-beyond-jisc-funding/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>David Giaretta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-4-sustaining-innovation-beyond-jisc-funding/#comment-260</guid>
		<description>It would also be interesting to compare the approach which the EU takes to its projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would also be interesting to compare the approach which the EU takes to its projects.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3 - Technical and infrastructure issues by David Giaretta</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-3/#comment-259</link>
		<dc:creator>David Giaretta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-3/#comment-259</guid>
		<description>I'm in the DCC (JISC) and project director of CASPAR and PARSE.Insight (EU projects), all dealing with issues of digital preservation. I also lead the working group which aims to produce the ISO standard for Audit and Certification of digital repositories.

- What are the main infrastructure challenges in your area?
The need for infrastructure to help sharing the effort and costs of ensuring digitally encoded information is available and usable for future generations, and which deals also with DRM, Authenticity etc, and which is itself auditable and persistable in some sense.
It should be noted that preservation in OAIS terms requires understandability and usability and this can be tied in with the interoperability needed right now. My work in DCC, CASPAR and PARSE.Insight address various aspects of these needs.

- Who is addressing them? (subject-oriented bodies, research funders, universities, academic departments, JISC, etc?)
Piecemeal efforts in many areas but overall there seems to be (1) a lack of focus and (2) a tendency to ignore data and the necessary semantics associated with it. 
In addition to UK efforts there are of course EU efforts which should be integrated, in particular the e-Infrastructure work of which PARSE.Insight is part. The Alliance for Permanent Access (http://www.alliancepermanentaccess.eu) is another contributor to all this by bringing together major players across Europe.

- Why are these bodies addressing the main challenges? Might others do better?
This is an area in which clearly many need to contribute but there needs to be a Roadmap which can show how all these efforts can be accomodated. I guess that's what I like to think I've been working on.

- What should be prioritised over the next five years?
The Warwick workshop (http://www.dcc.ac.uk/events/warwick_2005/Warwick_Workshop_report.pdf) had a list of priorities which are pretty good and which were picked up by the OSI Preservation and Curation WG (http://www.nesc.ac.uk/documents/OSI/preservation.pdf)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the DCC (JISC) and project director of CASPAR and PARSE.Insight (EU projects), all dealing with issues of digital preservation. I also lead the working group which aims to produce the ISO standard for Audit and Certification of digital repositories.</p>
<p>- What are the main infrastructure challenges in your area?<br />
The need for infrastructure to help sharing the effort and costs of ensuring digitally encoded information is available and usable for future generations, and which deals also with DRM, Authenticity etc, and which is itself auditable and persistable in some sense.<br />
It should be noted that preservation in OAIS terms requires understandability and usability and this can be tied in with the interoperability needed right now. My work in DCC, CASPAR and PARSE.Insight address various aspects of these needs.</p>
<p>- Who is addressing them? (subject-oriented bodies, research funders, universities, academic departments, JISC, etc?)<br />
Piecemeal efforts in many areas but overall there seems to be (1) a lack of focus and (2) a tendency to ignore data and the necessary semantics associated with it.<br />
In addition to UK efforts there are of course EU efforts which should be integrated, in particular the e-Infrastructure work of which PARSE.Insight is part. The Alliance for Permanent Access (http://www.alliancepermanentaccess.eu) is another contributor to all this by bringing together major players across Europe.</p>
<p>- Why are these bodies addressing the main challenges? Might others do better?<br />
This is an area in which clearly many need to contribute but there needs to be a Roadmap which can show how all these efforts can be accomodated. I guess that&#8217;s what I like to think I&#8217;ve been working on.</p>
<p>- What should be prioritised over the next five years?<br />
The Warwick workshop (http://www.dcc.ac.uk/events/warwick_2005/Warwick_Workshop_report.pdf) had a list of priorities which are pretty good and which were picked up by the OSI Preservation and Curation WG (http://www.nesc.ac.uk/documents/OSI/preservation.pdf)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 1 - Legal and policy issues by Mags McGeever</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/legal-and-policy-issues/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>Mags McGeever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/legal-and-policy-issues/#comment-258</guid>
		<description>IPR rights in data are frequently misunderstood and consequently over-asserted – which stifles curation and sharing.  Equally where he IPR rights do exist in the data, collaborations involving different jurisdictions, large numbers of institutions etc can make unravelling the IPR rights exceedingly complicated. Large amounts of resources can be spent (wasted?) agreeing these.

With this is in mind there seems some sense in the suggestion (as also highlighted by Chris above) of the Science Commons Protocol that data be dedicated to the public domain.  The potential for downstream innovation in this case is greatly increased.

Clearly there are exceptions to this.  Access and data protection are a very important, but arguably separate, issue.  

The attribution needs that IPRs provide can be met nowadays (perhaps more successfully even) by technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IPR rights in data are frequently misunderstood and consequently over-asserted – which stifles curation and sharing.  Equally where he IPR rights do exist in the data, collaborations involving different jurisdictions, large numbers of institutions etc can make unravelling the IPR rights exceedingly complicated. Large amounts of resources can be spent (wasted?) agreeing these.</p>
<p>With this is in mind there seems some sense in the suggestion (as also highlighted by Chris above) of the Science Commons Protocol that data be dedicated to the public domain.  The potential for downstream innovation in this case is greatly increased.</p>
<p>Clearly there are exceptions to this.  Access and data protection are a very important, but arguably separate, issue.  </p>
<p>The attribution needs that IPRs provide can be met nowadays (perhaps more successfully even) by technology.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3 - Technical and infrastructure issues by Julia Chruszcz</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-3/#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia Chruszcz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-3/#comment-257</guid>
		<description>I am currently a member of the project team commission to undertake the UK Research Data Service (UKRDS) feasibility study.  UKRDS is a joint project between RLUK and RUGIT. It is funded by HEFCE under its Shared Services programme, with support from JISC. The objective of the study is to assess the feasibility of providing a framework of standards and procedures to encourage researchers to submit their valuable data, and the costs of developing and maintaining a national shared digital research data service for UK Higher Education sector. Such a research data service is seen by the project sponsors as forming a crucial component of the UK's e-infrastructure for research and innovation, and one which will add significantly to the UK's global competitiveness. 
The feasibility phase of the project is due to report in August and it will full recognise existing services, infrastructure and expertise.
Differences across disciplines are marked and I would like to explore the issues and opportunities that arise from this more fully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently a member of the project team commission to undertake the UK Research Data Service (UKRDS) feasibility study.  UKRDS is a joint project between RLUK and RUGIT. It is funded by HEFCE under its Shared Services programme, with support from JISC. The objective of the study is to assess the feasibility of providing a framework of standards and procedures to encourage researchers to submit their valuable data, and the costs of developing and maintaining a national shared digital research data service for UK Higher Education sector. Such a research data service is seen by the project sponsors as forming a crucial component of the UK&#8217;s e-infrastructure for research and innovation, and one which will add significantly to the UK&#8217;s global competitiveness.<br />
The feasibility phase of the project is due to report in August and it will full recognise existing services, infrastructure and expertise.<br />
Differences across disciplines are marked and I would like to explore the issues and opportunities that arise from this more fully.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 1 - Legal and policy issues by Norman Gray</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/legal-and-policy-issues/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>Norman Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/legal-and-policy-issues/#comment-255</guid>
		<description>It's true that researchers are comfortable with the notion that institutions delegate copyrights to them (and perhaps a similar convention might be useful for IPR), but the perceived advantage here is probably not `good, I have extra rights', but `good, I don't have to ask permission to allocate the copyright'.

It might be that the language is wrong here.  We're talking about Intellectual Property _Rights_, when perhaps we should be talking about Intellectual Property _Responsibilities_.  What we're actually interested in in this conversation is who has the responsibility for looking after the data, and it's only for a (small?) part of the academy that that follows as a commercial imperative from who has the rights for the data.  For everyone else, they're two separate questions, incomprehensibly yoked: one involves form-filling, the other involves being helped to look after the results of your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that researchers are comfortable with the notion that institutions delegate copyrights to them (and perhaps a similar convention might be useful for IPR), but the perceived advantage here is probably not `good, I have extra rights&#8217;, but `good, I don&#8217;t have to ask permission to allocate the copyright&#8217;.</p>
<p>It might be that the language is wrong here.  We&#8217;re talking about Intellectual Property _Rights_, when perhaps we should be talking about Intellectual Property _Responsibilities_.  What we&#8217;re actually interested in in this conversation is who has the responsibility for looking after the data, and it&#8217;s only for a (small?) part of the academy that that follows as a commercial imperative from who has the rights for the data.  For everyone else, they&#8217;re two separate questions, incomprehensibly yoked: one involves form-filling, the other involves being helped to look after the results of your work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Confirmation email issued - Wednesday 9th July by David Kernohan</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/10/confirmation-email-issued-wednesday-9th-july/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kernohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/2008/07/10/confirmation-email-issued-wednesday-9th-july/#comment-254</guid>
		<description>Thank you, Simone :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Simone <img src='http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 3 - Technical and infrastructure issues by Chris Rusbridge</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-3/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Rusbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-3/#comment-244</guid>
		<description>Comments in another stream have alluded to the controversy over whether institutional repositories or subject (or national-scale) repositories should curate science data. While subject repositories may be the best answer (although the fate of AHDS suggests we should think carefully about this), there are clearly not enough SRs to go round all the available subjects. Therefore, I think, we have to find ways of extending institutional repositories to support data, especially the kinds of small science data (eg supplementary files for journal articles), that NJ mentions, while at the same time filling the curation gap though finding partnerships with domain scientists. I put this under infrastructure rather than skills, because expanding infrastructure through opening the IRs to data is the prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments in another stream have alluded to the controversy over whether institutional repositories or subject (or national-scale) repositories should curate science data. While subject repositories may be the best answer (although the fate of AHDS suggests we should think carefully about this), there are clearly not enough SRs to go round all the available subjects. Therefore, I think, we have to find ways of extending institutional repositories to support data, especially the kinds of small science data (eg supplementary files for journal articles), that NJ mentions, while at the same time filling the curation gap though finding partnerships with domain scientists. I put this under infrastructure rather than skills, because expanding infrastructure through opening the IRs to data is the prize.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 1 - Legal and policy issues by Chris Rusbridge</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/legal-and-policy-issues/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Rusbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/legal-and-policy-issues/#comment-243</guid>
		<description>There seems to be a trend at the moment (see Science Commons et al) to suggest that science is hindered y IPR claims to data, and that the best thing that can happen is for the data to be irrevocably dedicated to the public domain. This clearly shouldn't happen to all data (eg data representing sensitive personal data must be properly protected). But if IPR claims imply licences to make available, even benign licences like CC, BSD or GNU, they argue that unless EVERYONE uses the same licence the resulting complexities will kill interoperability!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a trend at the moment (see Science Commons et al) to suggest that science is hindered y IPR claims to data, and that the best thing that can happen is for the data to be irrevocably dedicated to the public domain. This clearly shouldn&#8217;t happen to all data (eg data representing sensitive personal data must be properly protected). But if IPR claims imply licences to make available, even benign licences like CC, BSD or GNU, they argue that unless EVERYONE uses the same licence the resulting complexities will kill interoperability!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 2 - Capacity and skills issues by Rachel Bruce</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-2/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-2/#comment-222</guid>
		<description>This is not in reply to the questions but I skimmed the thread and recalled Lorcan Dempsey's note to the JISC repositories list - so just as an example:

The "Master of Science--Concentration in Data Curation" from GSLIS at
the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign is interesting in this
context.

http://www.lis.uiuc.edu/programs/ms/data_curation.html

From the blurb:

"The Data Curation Education Program (DCEP) concentration within our
ALA-accredited master of science offers a focus on data collection and
management, knowledge representation, digital preservation and
archiving, data standards, and policy. Data curation is the active and
on-going management of data through its lifecycle of interest and
usefulness to scholarship, science, and education. Data curation
activities enable data discovery and retrieval, maintain its quality,
add value, and provide for re-use over time, and this new field includes
authentication, archiving, management, preservation, retrieval, and
representation. Our program will provide a strong focus on the theory
and skills necessary to work directly with academic and industry
researchers who need data curation expertise."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not in reply to the questions but I skimmed the thread and recalled Lorcan Dempsey&#8217;s note to the JISC repositories list - so just as an example:</p>
<p>The &#8220;Master of Science&#8211;Concentration in Data Curation&#8221; from GSLIS at<br />
the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign is interesting in this<br />
context.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lis.uiuc.edu/programs/ms/data_curation.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.lis.uiuc.edu');">http://www.lis.uiuc.edu/programs/ms/data_curation.html</a></p>
<p>From the blurb:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Data Curation Education Program (DCEP) concentration within our<br />
ALA-accredited master of science offers a focus on data collection and<br />
management, knowledge representation, digital preservation and<br />
archiving, data standards, and policy. Data curation is the active and<br />
on-going management of data through its lifecycle of interest and<br />
usefulness to scholarship, science, and education. Data curation<br />
activities enable data discovery and retrieval, maintain its quality,<br />
add value, and provide for re-use over time, and this new field includes<br />
authentication, archiving, management, preservation, retrieval, and<br />
representation. Our program will provide a strong focus on the theory<br />
and skills necessary to work directly with academic and industry<br />
researchers who need data curation expertise.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 2 - Capacity and skills issues by Robin Rice</title>
		<link>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-2/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/theme-2-the-challenges-of-research-data/sub-page-2/#comment-221</guid>
		<description>Joy - I'm sure you mean NOT seen as a dead-end job. ;-)

At the moment there's an interesting parallel situation with regard to career paths for institutional repository managers. 

To what extent is the IR a side-show from the 'main business' of the library? How many IR managers are on short-term contracts and face job insecurity when the JISC project funding runs out? Do they get support from their Library senior managers in terms of technical support and political advocacy within the institution? 

A hard-hitting and colourful analysis of this situation (in the US, at least) has been written by Dorothea Salo, &lt;a href="http://minds.wisconsin.edu/handle/1793/22088" rel="nofollow"&gt;Innkeeper at the Roach Motel&lt;/a&gt;. She also covers other issues currently vexing IR managers such as open source software communities.

The &lt;a href="http://wiki.repositoryfringe.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Repository Fringe event&lt;/a&gt; in Edinburgh at the end of this month welcomes Dorothea as our keynote speaker. Dave DeRoure will be giving the closing plenary address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joy - I&#8217;m sure you mean NOT seen as a dead-end job. <img src='http://jif08.jiscinvolve.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>At the moment there&#8217;s an interesting parallel situation with regard to career paths for institutional repository managers. </p>
<p>To what extent is the IR a side-show from the &#8216;main business&#8217; of the library? How many IR managers are on short-term contracts and face job insecurity when the JISC project funding runs out? Do they get support from their Library senior managers in terms of technical support and political advocacy within the institution? </p>
<p>A hard-hitting and colourful analysis of this situation (in the US, at least) has been written by Dorothea Salo, <a href="http://minds.wisconsin.edu/handle/1793/22088" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/minds.wisconsin.edu');">Innkeeper at the Roach Motel</a>. She also covers other issues currently vexing IR managers such as open source software communities.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://wiki.repositoryfringe.org/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/wiki.repositoryfringe.org');">Repository Fringe event</a> in Edinburgh at the end of this month welcomes Dorothea as our keynote speaker. Dave DeRoure will be giving the closing plenary address.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Session 2 - Capacity and skills issues by Joy Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to everyone for their views so far. I think we should have quite a lively session. 

It does seem a daunting enough task to simply define what data curation involves and who should be involved so it may well prove extremely difficult to pin down a set of core or minimum requirements for formal education and accredited training. However, it does seem that there is value in professionalising the role of data curator (but perhaps a better job title is required!). I am particularly keen to see some indications of career progression so that the role of data curator is seen as a dead-end job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to everyone for their views so far. I think we should have quite a lively session. </p>
<p>It does seem a daunting enough task to simply define what data curation involves and who should be involved so it may well prove extremely difficult to pin down a set of core or minimum requirements for formal education and accredited training. However, it does seem that there is value in professionalising the role of data curator (but perhaps a better job title is required!). I am particularly keen to see some indications of career progression so that the role of data curator is seen as a dead-end job.</p>
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